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David J. Sharp's avatar

Humans may not pad … but *I* have a pad wherein romance would occur were I not a septuagenarian robot.

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David J. Sharp's avatar

As to flaying … I prefer mine Bobby.

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David J. Sharp's avatar

As Sallie ponderously ponders, “Who does that intrusive Sharp chappie think he is?”

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SDG's avatar

So I hate to say this … I really hate to say it … but … what if an AI wrote this? Like, as cover for AI-authored books and content?

Sorry, I’m so sorry! Alternatively, maybe the book is too new or too fringe to be documented by Google.

At this point I think there are basically no more AI tells in LLM-generated text. I got a scam email yesterday ostensibly from my pastor (the old gift certificates scam), and in back-and-forth I was able to trick the LLM emailing me into admitting that it was, in fact, GPT-5. But in static text, I don’t think it’s possible to tell anymore.

“How can she prove she DIDN’T use AI?” Well, gosh, for me at least, for any composition longer than, say, 1500 words, I will usually have multiple backup drafts that probably constitute pretty persuasive proof that I really wrote it! Those who write in Google Docs have the complete edit history. That wouldn’t be me—I have problems with Google Docs, and I’m afraid most of what I write begins in Word before winding up in some CMS—but still, I have to think almost anyone writing an entire book can document their creative process *somehow*.

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Benjamin Dreyer's avatar

You and I are just going to get wearier, and sorrier, and more punchdrunk as the days go by, aren’t we.

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SDG's avatar

DID YOU HAVE TO *SAY* IT THOUGH

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Benjamin Dreyer's avatar

🙏🏻

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Anara Guard's avatar

A facebook group in which I am a small lurker regularly includes screenshots of passages in which the character lets out a breath they had not realized they were holding. It is such a common cliche that readers find them often, sometimes twice within the same novel. I feel sorry for the young person being sued, but alas, bad writing is not the purview of AI alone. And now, pardon me, while I exhale.

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KMH's avatar

I was utterly baffled reading that post - almost as baffled as when I learned that em dashes are apparently a sign of AI(???). Are these conclusions about AI a feature of people not reading, not writing, not being properly taught, or all of the above?

If they come for the oxford comma I give up.

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Benjamin Dreyer's avatar

Most inferences and conclusions about AI seem to me to be born of panic and lack of knowledge.

My chief take on AI is that I want nothing to do with it, and I can’t imagine that anyone who thinks of themself as a writer—as opposed to a churner-outer of content—wants anything to do with it either.

And no, em dashes are not a sign of AI. Em dashes are a sign of being a writer.

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docmommaVA's avatar

Phew! (is that letting out a breath?)

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Benjamin Dreyer's avatar

I can never quite be sure which is "phew" and which is "whew"!

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Ed Bott's avatar

My take is that "whew" is a sigh of relief, with a negative outcome averted, while "phew" indicates a strenuous or tedious (but not dangerous) task completed.

"Whew, that bus just missed running us over!"

"Phew, I can't believe I was holding my breath that long without realizing it."

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Doug Wyatt's avatar

I'm late to this, but I'll note that "Phew" is Wordle's response to a just-in-time win on turn 6.

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Matthew Martin's avatar

Loved this post, as you, Benjamin, would expect. It illuminates so much . . .

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Sheila Fyfe's avatar

"After," rather than "before," LOL!!!!

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Sheila Fyfe's avatar

Oliver Reed just generally scares the shit out of us :-)

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Laurie Fusco's avatar

❤️

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Ed Bott's avatar

There's a Goodreads list of books that contain that hackneyed phrase about a main character letting out a breath they didn't know they were holding. It's up to 90 titles!

https://www.goodreads.com/list/show/125647.Let_out_a_breath_they_didn_t_know_they_were_holding

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Benjamin Dreyer's avatar

A, That’s hilarious.

B, That there are some perfectly respectable authors on that list reinforces, at least for me, that though the I-didn’t-know-I-wasn’t-breathing concept may be on the trite side, it reflects some sort of actual lived human experience. Clichés become clichés for good reason.

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John's avatar

Funny that he thinks those are AI tells. They're cliches. They were cliches in the 80s. And probably before. But I started being buried in manuscripts in the 80s, so that's when my cliche awareness came on line. And as a screenwriter for forty ****ing years I can tell you that padding here and there has been endemic for at least that long. I can even tell you when I learned of "pad" as a much-needed alternative (in screenwritingland) to "walk." It was 1984, and the script was by my UCLA classmate Don Mancini. I made a note-to-self. "PAD!"

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John's avatar

I'm sure I had cliche awareness before then. But that's when I got my advanced degree in it.

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